Beware the False Christian! This is the truly dangerous Christian!
I will be the first to salute any honest Christian. It's hard to be a good Christian, impossible really, but I honestly admire those who try and make an honest effort at it. However, these people are truly rare.
I am no Christian, but I've read the bible a few times and I have a better then average understanding of what it is saying, in my opinion.
The true Christian does not judge, or at least tries not to. The true Christian does not condemn others, but rather seeks to help and enlighten. The true Christian does not visit hardship, prejudice, anger, or persecution on others - regardless of faith.
They are the selfless, forgiving, and patient epitome of good in society. According to the bible, this is what Christ was - and what he preached that all people should be.
True Christians do what Jesus would have done.
These people are rarer then diamonds.
False Christians, the vast majority, are just regular people who have adopted the moniker of 'Christian.' Through this self-proclaimed title, they judge, ridicule, harass, and sometimes even attack those who they feel aren't Christians.
The false Christian will say things like "Well, you're going to Hell."
Find me one spot in the bible where Jesus told someone they were going to hell. He didn't. He said what was required to go to heaven, but he never judged someone himself and told them they were going to hell. Furthermore he frequently chastised those who did judge the actions of others.
'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.' Christ said this as an angry mob was about to stone an adulterer.
'Speak not of the splinter in my eye until you have removed the plank from your own.' Christ also said, saying that all people were sinners and that no man was less of a sinner then any other.
The Faux-Christian (the pretend Christian) will persecute at will.
Judgement of others is what helps the False Christian justify that they are still 'Good Christians.' They say to themselves, 'I sin, but I'm not nearly as bad as Bob.'
I live, now, in a city packed full of militant false Christians, who raise militant False Christian children.
It is a sad thing that I see. And, while I am volunteering, I often wonder why it is that none of these False-Christians, have the time to volunteer for the community - like Christ did... I can honestly say, I'm glad I am an atheist, because at least I can live among better company.
Those that would call me a servant of the devil, ironically, will all be joining me in the same hell they say I'm headed to.
If there is a Hell, it better have a lot of vacancies.
Tuesday, March 25, 2008
Beware the Fake Christian!
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I can honestly say, I'm glad I am an atheist, because at least I can live among better company.
Problem is, without God, you have no absolute standard, by which you can call anything 'better,' revealing yet again, the inconsistency of your worldview.
Cheers,
Sye
I have a moral code, by which I guide my life.
It includes things like don't kill people. Don't steal. Don't lie.
It is absolutely better then God's code, as God makers allowances for torture. murder, lying, weapons of mass destruction, persecution etc.
I consider all of these wrong. God has set a record of allowing these atrocities.
I say my morals are therefore, inherently better then yours.
Personal opinion. Have a nice night.
There is a small amendment I should make to the above statement:
While I know murder, rape, theft, lying, etc. are all wrong - if it serves the greater good of my country, I both understand its use and believe it is right.
The good of my family and my country comes above all else. The good of these comes above even my own natural morals. The good of the nation MUST come above the good of the few.
"you have no absolute standard"
Technically, this is true, mind you. I do not see black or white.
I see grey. Murder is justified, sometimes. Theft is justified, sometimes. Lying is justified, sometimes.
However, I follow a moral code that is just as strict as any Christian's is - they just won't normally admit it.
The difference is, when I deviate from my code, I know why I have done it.
When they deviate, they have sinned, period.
I have a moral code, by which I guide my life.
So do child molesters.
It includes things like don't kill people. Don't steal. Don't lie.
And without an absolute standard, these are completely arbitrary.
It is absolutely better then God's code, as God makers allowances for torture. murder, lying, weapons of mass destruction, persecution etc.
Naturally I would disagree with your Biblical interpretation, but what you fail to realize is that you have no absolute standard by which you can call any of those 'wrong.'
I consider all of these wrong. God has set a record of allowing these atrocities.
Problem is, when you call anything an 'atrocity,' you appeal to an absolute standard which you deny.
I say my morals are therefore, inherently better then yours.
But when you compare my morals to your morals, what do you comapre them to? You can only call a line crooked if you have an idea of a straight line (paraphrasing C.S. Lewis). Surely you are not suggesting that your morals are 'ideal?'
While I know murder, rape, theft, lying, etc. are all wrong
How do you know this?
- if it serves the greater good of my country, I both understand its use and believe it is right.
And who gets to determine what the 'greater good' of your country is? Is the greater good of your country the definition of good? If not, what is?
The good of the nation MUST come above the good of the few.
Why, and says who?
Murder is justified, sometimes.
Murder being 'that killing which is unlawful' can never be justified. Killing yes, murder no. Unless of course you wish to provide an example.
However, I follow a moral code that is just as strict as any Christian's is
Problem is, your moral code is just as arbitrary as that of a child molester.
When they deviate, they have sinned, period.
For which there is forgiveness.
Cheers,
Sye
1.) All moral codes are in a sense, arbitrary. Yours is your on arbitrary interpretation of the bible, mine is my own.
2.) Most child molestors know what they are doing is wrong. -Really.
3.) Murder (the killing of any human) is justified when it serves the greater good. The one who determines the 'greater good' is the one doing the killing and the one ordering the killing. If they are wrong, the many will punish them. This is America's system, it is not flawless, but it's better then any other.
4.) God's Sins:
The Great Flood and Sodom and Gamora, murdering his own son, killing of all of the first born children of egypt, the trials of Job, and the many many wars fought in his name.
Those he personally did not commit, he is accountable to for allowing.
Since God can not be a sinner and since either murdering or allowing a murder is sin, God can not be real as he becomes an oxymoron.
It's worth noting here that the good of the many is determined, in America, by the law. The law is what guides us. The law is not always right, but without it there is only chaos and anarchy.
The soldier who kills, does so because law, indirectly, told him to do so.
My moral code, I believe, supports the law in nearly every aspect. Those laws I don't agree with, I petition to be changed - through the normal legal means.
This is America's system, it is not flawless, but it's better then any other.
The inconsistency of your worldview can be summed up in that statement. In order to be able to determine, if one 'system' of morality is 'better' than any other, one must know what 'right' morality is. Without an absolute standard, one system of morality cannot be 'better,' it can only be 'different.'
I have a standard, it is not absolute.
The ideal is everyone looks out for everyone else. The ideal is that the justice system always convicts the guilty and exhonorates the innocent. This is not possible.
The ideal is that our politicians were not corrupted by the powerful positions they hold and make laws that benefit the people. This is not the case - and in the reality of our current system, is also not possible.
Our system, therefore, is not ideal, and I know it. I did not need 'an absolute standard.' 99.9% of Americans agree on 99% of their morals, regardless of their beliefs. What we debate over is the 1% left.
Issues like abortion, stem cell research, and immigration.
These issues and the few others we sincerely debate are the overwhelming minority of the laws we have on the books.
I have a standard,
So do child molesters.
The ideal is everyone looks out for everyone else.
That is just an arbitrary stipulation, why can’t the ideal be: “The strong eat the weak?”
The ideal is that the justice system always convicts the guilty and exhonorates the innocent.
Why can’t the ideal be the strongest are always exhonorated, and the weakest are always found guilty?
The ideal is that our politicians were not corrupted by the powerful positions they hold and make laws that benefit the people.
Why can’t the ideal be, our politicians are always corrupted in order to ensure that the strongest survive, and the weakest do not.
Our system, therefore, is not ideal, and I know it.
Actually, as you admitted on the other thread, you do not know anything, but that’s another argument. What you fail to realize is that if society determines morality it MUST be ideal. If it is not ideal, then YOUR concept of ‘ideal morality’ MUST come from something outside of society.
I did not need 'an absolute standard.' 99.9% of Americans agree on 99% of their morals, regardless of their beliefs. What we debate over is the 1% left.
No, we debate over the concept of ‘rigth’ and ‘wrong.’ Surely you are not suggesting that the majority determines what is moral?
Issues like abortion, stem cell research, and immigration.
So, are you suggesting that if the majority determines that abortion is evil, then it is evil?
Rather than do more mental gymnastics to support your worldview, you should consider mine.
Cheers,
Sye
interesting blog. found you after you commented on mine, so i checked your's out. have only read a few of your posts so far. while i don't agree with you on some things, i think you're right about others. this post especially. what you call faux-christians... i've heard a similar term: cultural christians. basically, people who are attached to the church culture and not necessarily Christ himself.
out of curiosity, how did you find my blog?
jaeyde,
Discovering yesterday, as I did, that the books, locations and what not I had put in my profile were links, I just started clicking.
The Beggar post you put up, I thought was very interesting.
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Sye,
1.) You and I will always have a completely different set of morals.
Mine are not absolute. They change as I change. They are not concrete. This does not mean I am a child molestor, but your insistence on asking makes me wonder about your own tendencies.
2.) The majority does determine the morals. Morals are taught, not inherited. If you tech someone that murder is alright, they will feel no guilt when they do it.
It's sad but true.
If there was an 'absolute moral code' then people would know they are doing wrong even if they were taught otherwise. This simply isn't the case.
Have a nice Saturday afternoon!
1.) You and I will always have a completely different set of morals.
I disagree, I think that our morals are actually quite similar, I just have a foundation for them, you do not.
Mine are not absolute. They change as I change. They are not concrete. This does not mean I am a child molestor, but your insistence on asking makes me wonder about your own tendencies.
Never even came close to suggesting that you were a child molester, just likening your arbitrary view on arbitrary, to theirs. If anyone can stipulate morality, then child molesters can too. What makes you right, and them wrong?
2.) The majority does determine the morals.
Is the majority ever wrong? Does the majority always come up with the ‘right’ morality? If the majority determined that abortion was evil, would it be?
Morals are taught, not inherited. If you tech someone that murder is alright, they will feel no guilt when they do it.
Prove this please. And, what does how one feel have to do with whether something is ‘right’ or not?
If there was an 'absolute moral code' then people would know they are doing wrong even if they were taught otherwise. This simply isn't the case.
Prove this please. And, what does what one know have to do with whether something is right or not?
Cheers,
Sye
Rape is a commonly accepted practice in large areas of central Africa.
I hope that everyone reading this can see how you are blatantly avoiding my questions. I seriously doubt that statement, but that is not the point, the point is, what people accept, or do, or do not accept, has nothing to do with absolute morality. Do you believe that rape is wrong in Africa? Would you have any right to stop someone from raping someone else in Africa?
The end of the story is this - I do not agree with the culture in Central Africa, however, it is not my place to tell them that their culture is wrong.
This is exactly what atheistic worldviews lead to: "Rape could be right." Nice worldview.
Where is your absolute moral ground on that continent?
Absolutes know no borders. The absolute moral standard is God.
Cheers,
Sye
It's an extreme example, but a factual one. Much of central Africa is a warzone. Women are raped so that the controlling warlord and his men may 'convert' those conquered by forcing them to carry their bloodline.
This is a practice that litters historical conflicts in Europe, Asia and the Americas.
While I do not agree with it, I also don't agree with interfering with another sovereign nation's practices and laws.
How I feel about what they do is irrelevant. How they feel about what they do was the point. Which you missed.
The point was, based on how you are raised and what you are taught, your morals can be very very different. I was raised in a very similar fashion as you, ergo I have very similar moral views.
In Africa, they are raised differently. They have different morals.
In the Middle East it is considered an extreme honor to die as a martyr, including dying by suicide. The killing of heathens is considered honorable. The torture of non-islamic believers is accepted as well.
These are the morals they are taught.
I do not agree with them, but do not believe in interfering with them - so long as they do not seek to enforce them on me.
You base your morals on a book - the Bible. You do not stone adulterers, so you are basing your morals on part of that book - the new testament.
I'll take my life experiences as foundation over half of one book.
Have a nice afternoon.
To not appear as though I am dodging his question, rather then simply answering in a manner that he refuses to acknowledge.
Quotes from Sye:
I hope that everyone reading this can see how you are blatantly avoiding my questions.
Sye:
Is the majority ever wrong? Does the majority always come up with the ‘right’ morality? If the majority determined that abortion was evil, would it be?
Me:
Morals are taught, not inherited. If you tech someone that murder is alright, they will feel no guilt when they do it.
Sye:
Prove this please. And, what does how one feel have to do with whether something is ‘right’ or not?
Response (repeat from previous answers):
The majority ALWAYS determines the morals. They do this because THEY pass the laws. They do this because THEY teach THEIR morals to THEIR children.
Because I stand on the fact (yes, fact) that morals are taught - it stands to reason to reason that the morals of the majority become the morals of the nation.
If the majority believed abortion was evil and they taught their children abortion was evil, then yes it would be. This is not the case in the US because the majority (90%) of all people have sex before they are married. Abortion necessity follows sex.
The reason 'how one feels' determines morals is because if someone feels no remorse when they commit an act, then, at least in their mind, the act is not wrong. Ergo, their morals have taught them that that particular act is right.
Remorse determines guilt, if someone feels no guilt, then in their own mind - they are not wrong.
This is the voice of their personal morals talking. If their morals do agree with the law, which is derived from the majority's morals, and they are caught, they will be punished.
I've answered your questions, again.
Now, unless you have something original to say on this point or someone else has some input - this discussion is done.
for some reason, what i just typed disappeared in my screen, ok i am saying this again:
first, i really admire you for your extraordinary literature ability, your writing flows very well; secondly, i like you for your tolerance for disagreement and offense from someone else, if i were you i would delete all the opposite comments out; and thirdly, i can't believe that you are not a "good Christian"
i am a believer in God and Jesus Christ, because religions are created by men , not by God, in God's eyes, whoever are doing things according to what that person sincerely think are moral and without guilt, even though it might not appear in the other people's eyes, then God will still favor him or her, because God knows exactly what's in side a person's mind and what's their motive behind every move, he is the perfect judge. I also agree the fact that they are a lot of false Christians contaminates Christianity, and if they think believe in God is a way a justify their wrongdoings by saying its a "sin", then again, God knows the truth.
i dont go to church every sunday, but i meet your expectations of a true christian. thank you. i pray that u may find the lord so that you too will go to heaven.
greetingZ from your brother from another mother!
After 28 yr of searching for true church Icome to conclusio that today Christianity is a Fake.I do believe GOD VILL CREATE TRUE CHURCH again Hop to be stil alive Nadia Melbourne
Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
You asked where Jesus damned someone to hell? Right there. He also gave them the opportunity to escape hell in the next few verses, where he told them why they were going (rejecting His salvation).
I'm Christian and I've been doing a lot of research into fake Christians and how they make the true real Christians look bad. Most of the articles are just Christian hating blogs and written by Atheist. You are the first one to point out the difference and I thank you for that. You made more since of what Jesus said then most, and I mean "most" Christians.
Thanks for the post and seeing what a lot of people don't see, that just because somebody calls themselves a Christian doesn't make them a Christian.
Yeah, I know what you mean by false Christians. Sometimes it feels like I'm surrounded by them, but to say that is judging them and putting myself above them.
The thing is that Jesus did say that if you lived without him then died, you would be going to hell. He didn't say this to a certian person he said it to everyone.
Since you've read the Bible a couple of times then you should know this. And I think you do. I haven't read all the Bible but I'm in the process of reading it. I'm up to Romans. You might want to read it again and refress your memory.
Just wondering how you can read the Bible and still not believe in God? Is it because of all the 'false christians' around you? God will judge you, but he won't judge you any less because of who they are and what they did. jesus actually said that he didn't come to bring peace, that he came to put people against each other. But no, he wasn't here to judge, he said that God, his father, would judge them. we're all going to be judged, not by the good we've done but by how we've lived our lives and whether we've lived our lives without God. Thats how we will be judged. Make the right decision before its too late, because you never know when your gonna die.
Rape is not accepted in Africa, it just happens a lot. That was just a dumb assumption. Is your case really that bad that you would have to say something as stupid as that? I suggest you atheist screaming how radical Christians are take a look at yourself. Compare abortion clinic murders and fires to church murders and fires. Look to see if our presidents are even Christian (there not) or are they pulling a Hitler and playing the Christian card to get elected. I thought Atheist was smarter? By the way, look up the stats on that while you're at it. Yes, the more education the less likely to believe, but with secularism being taught in schools it's not a surprise. Who's after who, just reading this blog will tell you. Wise up people and stop believing everything other Christian hating atheist tell you.
I agree with what you are saying for the most part. First off, I am a Christian so i thought it would be nice to leave an opinion from another point of view. Yes, there are so many "fakers" out there its hard to believe theres any REAL Christians out there anymore. All the time you see hateful judging hippocrites claiming they come in the name of the God they dont even bother to have a relationship with! Big deal, you go to church,you vainly attempt to read your bible while at the same time planning out the rest of your day, your body is in with the crowd worshipping at church while your thinking of the billion OTHER things you could be doing.
Jesus Himself said the following...
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but
the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say
to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your
name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I
never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Mathew 7
This is so true, many people will take on the persona of a true Christian either for attention,a momentary wish list, money, or even just because you dont want other people to think you not "In" with the rest of the fakers who are judging you.
I consider people like this to not even be Christians, (If God does not why should we?) I am not passing the blame here but i believe it is because of mans adept enjoyment in self gratitude we have this problem, wherever a law stands, there always stands a chance for corruption.
The Point I am getting at is please do not consider those imposters Christians, they only hurt the church, and prevent so many people from seeing the deep Love of God, I know i am a Christian because i have personally experienced God, I am not trying to boast myself here, rather im just saying I am nowhere near the man i used to be and i owe everything good thats happened to me because of God. I make mistakes all the time but what seperates a true Christian from a faker is there willingness to repent and stop doing what you did wrong instead of repenting on Sunday and sinning the same sim on monday.
Anyway, im sorry this isnt in depth as it should be, there are so many things running through my mind right now i only wish i had the time to explain. But im doing a report for school and I have to finish it. If anyone takes the time to read this feel free to message me if you want to discuss why i believe what i believe because i know this website was intended for atheists and i found it by chance. Just please dont try to judge me or leave some trashy statement saying im stupid for being born again. Im saved and im sick of all the fakers too. period.
I know I am late,and are reading this article over a year later than it was written. If you read this comment, know that i am glad and blessed to have read this article. You show great insight upon "fake" Christians and imitators of Jesus, not followers.
I shared this same concept for the last 3 weeks with students who are used to that "fake" mentality. Even to go as far as the "suit and tie" ideology that most Christians have. The results have been amazing. When we focus on the compassion and love of Christ, not how to make others feel horrible about themselves, we create a new breed of a person; one who promotes justice, well being, and cares for his neighbor, just like Jesus did.
Thanks for sharing.
Daniel
I think this article is way off. You say Jesus never said anything about people going to hell - your dead wrong about that - he said unless ye repent ye shall all likewise perish. This is the very heart of the matter - people do not want to turn away from sin - so they make excuses. Warning someone is not judging them - the world has great things to say about the silent christian - it can't stand the preaching christian and has many labels to plaster onto anyone that preaches repentance. If your hoping christianity is a polically correct -one size fits all - comfy easy going program think again. Read the bible closely - sin is a serious issue - we are to turn away from it and warn others to do the same - many people will protest this very message - so dont be suprised - a true christian is not afraid to preach and public acceptance is not needed. To say that true christians dont warn people or preach is absurd. Godly sorrow leadeth to repentance and repentance to salvation not to be repented of. Preaching does stir peoples emotions - if it makes them re-consider their ways thats exactly what its meant to do - its not about making people feel horrible or about giving them a false sense of security- its about getting them off of the wrong path-and onto the right one, and guess what ? not everyone is going to appreciate hearing that according to Gods word - they are on the wrong path.Don't think since you do charity work while rejecting God your a good person - maybe in your own eyes and in the worlds eyes you are - but Gods standards are higher than your own.You are self righteous lol -You act like YOU dont judge yet you ARE judging true christians by calling them fakes,Because they say things you dont like to hear - Unless a man be born again he will not see the kingdom of heaven.Thats pretty simple - Take it or leave it.Jesus preached hard at the pharisees too - several times - so to say jesus never preached harsh messages is yet another false thing you have said.
This is all wrong. For one, we aren't supposed to make our own interpretations of the Bible. God shows you and let's you study and understand or he doesn't. Period. Two, if you aren't a Christian, then you have No idea what you're talking about, really, lol. Christians who say that you atre going to hell are telling you the truth unless you are born again. Three, Jesus Did say a lot about people going to hell!!! You obviosuly didn't read very well. I honestly had to stop reading there b/c you are WAY off. There is only ONE way to heaven and that is through the blood of Jesus Christ. There is only one true word of God that is 100% correct and inspired by God himself and that is the KJV. Do your research and compare the word of God with the NIV, RSV, etc. And you will see (if God will allow it) that the NIV calls lucifer the morning star. JESUS is the morning star!! NOT satan!!! The NIV is a satanic bible, period. All versions other than KJV ARE and always have been satanic. They twist and warp the words of God and are written specifically to confuse us...I'm not falling for this mess of a world like most have. I believe God over everyone and that's that.
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